In your comments to Will’s recent post about your Top 10 Issues/Concerns, many of you have expressed remarks or expectations about the blog module. I would like to reassure our early users: while today’s Flock is not specifically “the web browser for bloggers”, the blog editor is still a core feature, under active development. I am determined to push the integration with other Flock’s features to keep it on the top of the publishing tools for the desktop.
Here is a sneak peak at the upcoming blog editor:
A lot of cleanup and improvements have been done in the back-end. Atom 1.0 is supported, it is more extensible, and the compatibility with blogging platforms is still growing. However, a lot can still be done on the user interface to improve bloggers’ experience and productivity.
So here is your occasion to give your opinion directly to the guy who will be implementing your pet features. Have no mercy for the current blog editor. What’s missing? What’s wrong or weird? What crazy idea do you have that could make it really cool?
Also, for blogging platforms compatibility, don’t forget to help us building the blog compatibility list on the wiki. Have your platform listed here greatly increases the chances to have it supported and tested by our QA team.
Hi Guys. For me the Blogging is a total killerfeature. havent found anything similarly comfortable with its picture upload etc. the only problem i have, is that a placeholder is blogged of every picture i drag and drop from my desktop. so i see two pictures in the post (flickr, local) and visitors see the flickr pic and the local placeholder...
here is my cray idea :) http://beta.zooomr.com/photos/killercup/200626
i think the blogtool should be appear on the top right of the screen when I click e.g. Ctrl+B or click the bottom.
and other thing: i think flock should have a quickstarter in the tray, just to improve its performance and to let th user open a flock window (or the blog mudul) quickly!
oh and i think it would be nice to have an option for using wordpress-tags (there are plugins for that) or whatever-tags instead of technorati tags! best with own formatting, of course.
1.
It should be easier to drag in pictures from Flickr, etc. So include the Photobar directly to the blogging window, probably as a tab where you can switch between Tags/Photos/Videos or so.
2.
Look at Windows Live Writer: It should be able to have some kind of Layout-Preview. This is what is really cool in WL Writer, because it gives me a better idea of what the post will look like later.
(That's the reason for me using WL Writer, because that makes it really stand out...)
3.
I guess that integrating with MySpace/Facebook, etc. will be important for the future, but that's nothing that I'm personally interested very much ;)
Look at Windows Live Writer: It should be able to have some kind of Layout-Preview. This is what is really cool in WL Writer, because it gives me a better idea of what the post will look like later.
(That's the reason for me using WL Writer, because that makes it really stand out...)
Wow you took the words out of my mouth. I stopped using flock since WLW came out.
while today’s Flock is not specifically “the web browser for bloggers” This one of the top reasons why I choose Flock because it was targeted at Bloggers. I think flock along the way has lost some of its initially direction. Currently the only Killer features in Flock is the flickr Top bar, the feed reader and delicious integration. Even the feed reader is too slow You guys need to look at RSS bandit. It might not have a great interface but it does a great job. Especially the ability to read comments for each Post Title without subscribing to the comments rss.
October 9, 2006 - 3:10am — Omar Upegui R. (not verified)
I think your new blog editor blueprint is on the right track. I see that you included:
1. In line spelling checker.
2. Text alignment feature (left, right, center and justified)
It would be nice to add a Thesaurus which would enhance the experience the bloggers' experience and productivity. As you well know, customer service and exceeding the expectations of the client.
A preview feature which will depict how the post will look like after it is published is also a must in every serious blog editor. I exhort you to add it to your blueprint.
Asking for feedback from the blog editor's community is a great idea. I'm sure you will get many interesting requests.
As noted many times previously, the ability to show the blog editor in a split pane like Performancing would entice me to use it. I currently use Performancing because the pop-up window just isn't usable on Linux. The extensibility you've previously mentioned would also be nice, though honestly, for most folk, the most basic markup options would suffice. The ability to preview posts as they'll look on your site would be nice too, if probably challenging to implement. I've read many complaints about the lack of customizability of the technorati tags implementation; people would like to be able to specify different ping sites or to add markup (e.g. class definitions) to the tags. That seems like potentially low-hanging fruit.
October 9, 2006 - 4:39am — mctones. (not verified)
A definite step in the right direction, but....
Are you working on 'new' functionality or is it simply the bundling of standard midas exec commands previously unused??
Whilst live preview would be good eye candy, is it really that useful? If I blog about something, the message doesn't change so what real benefits does it introduce?
The need to improve image handling is a must I feel. Simply being able to drag and drop from the disparate topbar/bottombar and/or insert the full URL is still too cumbersome. Ability to alter image once inserted also needed (float, alt).
It is really good to see tags back in the blog editor, and one presumes when you save and close a draft, the tags are now saved as well?
Finally, I am guessing it would be too much to put the editor back into a tab, so that the blog editor, snippets and mediabar are a little more 'together' - only real purists can see the advantage of flocks "integrated" blog editor over performancing/windows live writer/quomana etc.
@mctones
I consider live preview as very useful, especially when it comes to image-handling and stuff, but it also gives me a better feeling of what my article will look like.
But I accept the argument that that could be difficult to implement.
This is coming from someone who will only use it for LiveJournal (and would LOVE to use it for that, too), but take a look at the Firefox extension Deepest Sender, particularly for updating LJs. The best part of Deepest Sender is the tag box, where all the tags I've made so far are available for me to just select and have automatically added to my post without having to type them in. Also, it should support LJ's meta data, including selecting icons.
It looks great for updating a blog, but for updating LJ- not so much. It doesn't support any of the features that separates LiveJournal from Blogging.
October 9, 2006 - 6:20am — Richard Schave (not verified)
I would like to see support for Drupal and their free tagging taxonomy. At the moment the blog editor adds tags in the body of the post as "technorati tags."
Thank you to everyone, and even if I don't answer to your comment specifically, that doesn't mean I won't take them into account during development.
killercup, Richard Schave, people asking about tags: yes, I'm implementing native tags for platforms that support them.
jsuplido: what do you mean by "Performancing-like"? What do you like in Performancing that is not in Flock?
mctones: about the toolbar buttons, the real new feature is that the toolbar is customizable. It allows us to bundle much more buttons (all functions provided by Midas, and more) while in Flock 0.7 or Performancing you're limited to the default set. It's also very easy to write an extension that adds a button to the blog toolbar - just like adding a button to Firefox' main toolbar.
October 9, 2006 - 11:21am — cranky mama (not verified)
I totally agree with the person who suggested a photo topbar in the blogging pane - that would simple things up a lot. Also, if I were to name features in the Ultimate Blog Editor, there would be some sort of easy way to post videos. I know, Google Video and what have you gives an embed code, but it's kind of tricky to get it to work right.
Oh, and I use LJ as well, and it would ROCK if I could set privacy levels from Flock.
I would like a drop down box that let's me apply styles to my post. You could make it as simple as a little preference that I can manually add class names to the drop down box, or if you really want to be cool then let me point flock to my css file and have it parse it for me.
For example in my css file I could put delimiting comments:
I think for me the most important things to have are definitely the basic privacy levels (public, friends only, private), tags, being able to choose my user picture, and both the lj-cut and lj user tags.
This is maybe not a feature that everyone can use that I'll propose here : why not having an editable post template that would define how technorati tags (as well as the blogged with flock button) are rendered in the outputed HTML. For example, I'd like to be able to use technorati tags, but without the label "technorati tags:" before the tags, and to see those tags in a div using a specific css class. This template should use a simple markup language like :
[post-content/]
[if-technorati-tags-exists]< div >technorati tags:[technorati-tags separator=", "/][/if-technorati-tags-exists]
[if-blogged-with-flock-button-exists]< div >[blogged-with-flock-button/][/if-blogged-with-flock-button-exists]
This is a raw idea, but it's up to you to decide how to refine it ! :) And this feature could as well be a hidden feature for html-aware users (with the editing of a specific file).
Still concerning the blog editor, I would like to be able to modify existing post (written or not with the flock editor).
Then, I'd like some more customization on the photo bar as well. For example, I don't need (never needed it) the bb code button but I would like sometime to be able to drag'n'drop the photo in an another size that flickr can provide, if this could as well be customizable...
And that's all I want for christmas !
Merci Erwan !
October 10, 2006 - 10:34am — dukebody (not verified)
I'd love to be able to edit already posted blog post. Actually, Wordpress blog editor in Blogsome modifies tables and some other stuff, and sometimes I really need to edit the source HTML. Being able to delete posts would help, too.
I agree with bbooth about allowing users to define their own CSS styles, and maybe assinging them to buttons. This would solve lots of formatting problems and provides easy extensioning!
Inserting topbar photos into blog editor window in Linux is a nigthmare if the editor window doesn't stay on top while dragging. Use blogging tab instead, or put a photo topbar into the blog editor window.
October 10, 2006 - 4:31pm — Chris Dunphy (not verified)
I use LJ to blog with, and I'd love it if Flock could become my posting tool of choice.
In order of importance:
Tags (particularly if auto-populated)
Privacy Level
Icon Image
Location Field
Music (particularly if auto set)
Mood
LJ-Cut
LJ-User
October 14, 2006 - 8:06pm — Sovereign John (not verified)
I'd like to have a button for font color.
Also a button for larger or smaller text.
These features are included in Performancing which I use with Flock (Photobucket version)
October 14, 2006 - 9:24pm — Scott S. Floyd (not verified)
Any idea why I can't get the blog portion of Flock to post to Blogger anymore? The problem was off and on for a short time, but now I just can't. It gives me an "oops" error of some kind. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work. It ends up costing me so much time to copy and paste and redo links. I love Flock because of its blogging capability. Please help.
My other pet peeve: Entries on the Flock Blog that have nothing to do with Flock (meez.com???) Aside from the fact that I'd like to think that Flock is working tirelessly to improve it's product rather than messing around with avatars that don't work on Flock, it's not what I come to Flock blog about. Indeed, if the proportion of posts on the Flock blog dedicated to development are an indication of the relative importance Flock places on development then we're in trouble.
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Hi Guys. For me the Blogging is a total killerfeature. havent found anything similarly comfortable with its picture upload etc. the only problem i have, is that a placeholder is blogged of every picture i drag and drop from my desktop. so i see two pictures in the post (flickr, local) and visitors see the flickr pic and the local placeholder...
here is my cray idea :) http://beta.zooomr.com/photos/killercup/200626
i think the blogtool should be appear on the top right of the screen when I click e.g. Ctrl+B or click the bottom.
and other thing: i think flock should have a quickstarter in the tray, just to improve its performance and to let th user open a flock window (or the blog mudul) quickly!
oh and i think it would be nice to have an option for using wordpress-tags (there are plugins for that) or whatever-tags instead of technorati tags! best with own formatting, of course.
1.
It should be easier to drag in pictures from Flickr, etc. So include the Photobar directly to the blogging window, probably as a tab where you can switch between Tags/Photos/Videos or so.
2.
Look at Windows Live Writer: It should be able to have some kind of Layout-Preview. This is what is really cool in WL Writer, because it gives me a better idea of what the post will look like later.
(That's the reason for me using WL Writer, because that makes it really stand out...)
3.
I guess that integrating with MySpace/Facebook, etc. will be important for the future, but that's nothing that I'm personally interested very much ;)
--
WebThoughts
Look at Windows Live Writer: It should be able to have some kind of Layout-Preview. This is what is really cool in WL Writer, because it gives me a better idea of what the post will look like later.
(That's the reason for me using WL Writer, because that makes it really stand out...)
Wow you took the words out of my mouth. I stopped using flock since WLW came out.
while today’s Flock is not specifically “the web browser for bloggers” This one of the top reasons why I choose Flock because it was targeted at Bloggers. I think flock along the way has lost some of its initially direction. Currently the only Killer features in Flock is the flickr Top bar, the feed reader and delicious integration. Even the feed reader is too slow You guys need to look at RSS bandit. It might not have a great interface but it does a great job. Especially the ability to read comments for each Post Title without subscribing to the comments rss.
Any chance of having the blog client, Performancing-like? :)
I think your new blog editor blueprint is on the right track. I see that you included:
1. In line spelling checker.
2. Text alignment feature (left, right, center and justified)
It would be nice to add a Thesaurus which would enhance the experience the bloggers' experience and productivity. As you well know, customer service and exceeding the expectations of the client.
A preview feature which will depict how the post will look like after it is published is also a must in every serious blog editor. I exhort you to add it to your blueprint.
Asking for feedback from the blog editor's community is a great idea. I'm sure you will get many interesting requests.
Thank you for answering our concerns.
Cheers,
Omar.-
I prefer a more stable version of Performancing.
In-line checking can be achieved if Flock uses some of the built-in Mac OS X features. :D
WriteToMyBlog is also a good way to check what kind of functionalities can be added to Flock.
As noted many times previously, the ability to show the blog editor in a split pane like Performancing would entice me to use it. I currently use Performancing because the pop-up window just isn't usable on Linux. The extensibility you've previously mentioned would also be nice, though honestly, for most folk, the most basic markup options would suffice. The ability to preview posts as they'll look on your site would be nice too, if probably challenging to implement. I've read many complaints about the lack of customizability of the technorati tags implementation; people would like to be able to specify different ping sites or to add markup (e.g. class definitions) to the tags. That seems like potentially low-hanging fruit.
=======================
Flock Web Guy
A definite step in the right direction, but....
Are you working on 'new' functionality or is it simply the bundling of standard midas exec commands previously unused??
Whilst live preview would be good eye candy, is it really that useful? If I blog about something, the message doesn't change so what real benefits does it introduce?
The need to improve image handling is a must I feel. Simply being able to drag and drop from the disparate topbar/bottombar and/or insert the full URL is still too cumbersome. Ability to alter image once inserted also needed (float, alt).
It is really good to see tags back in the blog editor, and one presumes when you save and close a draft, the tags are now saved as well?
Finally, I am guessing it would be too much to put the editor back into a tab, so that the blog editor, snippets and mediabar are a little more 'together' - only real purists can see the advantage of flocks "integrated" blog editor over performancing/windows live writer/quomana etc.
@mctones
I consider live preview as very useful, especially when it comes to image-handling and stuff, but it also gives me a better feeling of what my article will look like.
But I accept the argument that that could be difficult to implement.
--
WebThoughts
This is coming from someone who will only use it for LiveJournal (and would LOVE to use it for that, too), but take a look at the Firefox extension Deepest Sender, particularly for updating LJs. The best part of Deepest Sender is the tag box, where all the tags I've made so far are available for me to just select and have automatically added to my post without having to type them in. Also, it should support LJ's meta data, including selecting icons.
It looks great for updating a blog, but for updating LJ- not so much. It doesn't support any of the features that separates LiveJournal from Blogging.
I would like to see support for Drupal and their free tagging taxonomy. At the moment the blog editor adds tags in the body of the post as "technorati tags."
cheers,
Richard
Thank you to everyone, and even if I don't answer to your comment specifically, that doesn't mean I won't take them into account during development.
killercup, Richard Schave, people asking about tags: yes, I'm implementing native tags for platforms that support them.
jsuplido: what do you mean by "Performancing-like"? What do you like in Performancing that is not in Flock?
mctones: about the toolbar buttons, the real new feature is that the toolbar is customizable. It allows us to bundle much more buttons (all functions provided by Midas, and more) while in Flock 0.7 or Performancing you're limited to the default set. It's also very easy to write an extension that adds a button to the blog toolbar - just like adding a button to Firefox' main toolbar.
Beka: I'm planning to implement some LJ-specific features. Which one would be the most important for you? Privacy level? Mood? LJ-cut? Something else?
I totally agree with the person who suggested a photo topbar in the blogging pane - that would simple things up a lot. Also, if I were to name features in the Ultimate Blog Editor, there would be some sort of easy way to post videos. I know, Google Video and what have you gives an embed code, but it's kind of tricky to get it to work right.
Oh, and I use LJ as well, and it would ROCK if I could set privacy levels from Flock.
How about this for a crazy idea:
I would like a drop down box that let's me apply styles to my post. You could make it as simple as a little preference that I can manually add class names to the drop down box, or if you really want to be cool then let me point flock to my css file and have it parse it for me.
For example in my css file I could put delimiting comments:
/*FLOCK RULES FOLLOW */
.bigBold {}
.smallRed {}
/*END FLOCK RULES */
Then in the blogging tool the drop down box would automatically let me apply the "bigBold" class to a part of my post.
erwan:
Awesome!
I think for me the most important things to have are definitely the basic privacy levels (public, friends only, private), tags, being able to choose my user picture, and both the lj-cut and lj user tags.
Thanks!
>what do you mean by "Performancing-like"? What do you like in Performancing that is not in Flock?
erwan, I'd like to see the blog module slide up within Flock, not popup as a separate window. :)
This is maybe not a feature that everyone can use that I'll propose here : why not having an editable post template that would define how technorati tags (as well as the blogged with flock button) are rendered in the outputed HTML. For example, I'd like to be able to use technorati tags, but without the label "technorati tags:" before the tags, and to see those tags in a div using a specific css class. This template should use a simple markup language like :
[post-content/]
[if-technorati-tags-exists]< div >technorati tags:[technorati-tags separator=", "/][/if-technorati-tags-exists]
[if-blogged-with-flock-button-exists]< div >[blogged-with-flock-button/][/if-blogged-with-flock-button-exists]
This is a raw idea, but it's up to you to decide how to refine it ! :) And this feature could as well be a hidden feature for html-aware users (with the editing of a specific file).
Still concerning the blog editor, I would like to be able to modify existing post (written or not with the flock editor).
Then, I'd like some more customization on the photo bar as well. For example, I don't need (never needed it) the bb code button but I would like sometime to be able to drag'n'drop the photo in an another size that flickr can provide, if this could as well be customizable...
And that's all I want for christmas !
Merci Erwan !
I actually like the Flock bogging feature and prefer it to Performancing. It's simple, fast and efficient. Four features to improve it:
* Option to move title of page into blog post title automatically
* Drupal freetagging (+1)
* Shortcut for Blog this
* Autosave posts locally
I'd love to be able to edit already posted blog post. Actually, Wordpress blog editor in Blogsome modifies tables and some other stuff, and sometimes I really need to edit the source HTML. Being able to delete posts would help, too.
I agree with bbooth about allowing users to define their own CSS styles, and maybe assinging them to buttons. This would solve lots of formatting problems and provides easy extensioning!
Inserting topbar photos into blog editor window in Linux is a nigthmare if the editor window doesn't stay on top while dragging. Use blogging tab instead, or put a photo topbar into the blog editor window.
I use LJ to blog with, and I'd love it if Flock could become my posting tool of choice.
In order of importance:
Tags (particularly if auto-populated)
Privacy Level
Icon Image
Location Field
Music (particularly if auto set)
Mood
LJ-Cut
LJ-User
Thanks!!
- chris
I'd like to have a button for font color.
Also a button for larger or smaller text.
These features are included in Performancing which I use with Flock (Photobucket version)
Thanks for the opportunity for feedback.
Any idea why I can't get the blog portion of Flock to post to Blogger anymore? The problem was off and on for a short time, but now I just can't. It gives me an "oops" error of some kind. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work. It ends up costing me so much time to copy and paste and redo links. I love Flock because of its blogging capability. Please help.
It's a small request, but I'd love it if the "Update Contacts" for Flickr worked. It used to work, but seemed to break when I last updated Flock.
My other pet peeve: Entries on the Flock Blog that have nothing to do with Flock (meez.com???) Aside from the fact that I'd like to think that Flock is working tirelessly to improve it's product rather than messing around with avatars that don't work on Flock, it's not what I come to Flock blog about. Indeed, if the proportion of posts on the Flock blog dedicated to development are an indication of the relative importance Flock places on development then we're in trouble.
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